The View on Low-Code From Experts in the Field

• Low-Code Development

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  [00:00:01.540] hell over one and welcome to mend [00:00:03.680] ICS live at medics World two point [00:00:05.769] ill. It is Day four of medics [00:00:07.959] world, and this is the last [00:00:10.609] live session that we're going to do not just [00:00:12.660] for today, but for medics, world [00:00:14.740] as a whole. So I'm kind of sad, [00:00:17.000] but we have some good one [00:00:19.230] our content for you because going [00:00:21.350] to talk to a semantics. Experts [00:00:24.620] who are people in the community [00:00:26.859] who know exactly how to build APS, [00:00:28.989] what the best features are and [00:00:31.539] what use they are for developers. [00:00:33.939] So what I like to find out from them [00:00:36.250] is what were their most [00:00:39.299] interesting announcements that they heard at the [00:00:41.369] keynote from Johann and Eric? [00:00:43.240] And what did they think? How did [00:00:45.420] they think it might help developers [00:00:47.570] build better solutions, [00:00:49.340] So to introduce the first speaker, [00:00:51.920] this is Paul Eaton, and Paul [00:00:54.009] Eaton is the senior director of BYU [00:00:56.310] APS at Brigham Young University [00:00:58.549] in Provo, Utah. [00:01:00.159] With a student body of over 30,000, [00:01:03.270] Brigham Young University is one of the largest [00:01:05.349] private universities in the United States. [00:01:08.409] Operating like a small city, the [00:01:10.659] campus has everything from its own healthcare [00:01:12.950] facilities to police Department. [00:01:15.849] Now Paul's division is the custom [00:01:18.019] software development arm of B. Y. U's [00:01:20.450] Central office of I T [00:01:22.739] and Paul, and his team's current goals are [00:01:25.260] to consolidate existing Web [00:01:27.310] APS from over 13 software [00:01:29.480] development stacks [00:01:30.760] to just two [00:01:32.390] at one of which is medics. [00:01:34.840] And he wants to improve the user journey [00:01:37.319] by focusing on implementing business [00:01:39.459] logic and presentation [00:01:41.480] instead of technology. [00:01:43.439] Paul, welcome to the session [00:01:46.340] high on. Thanks for having me. [00:01:48.239] Absolutely. It's a great for you to be here [00:01:50.459] on. I think we're gonna have a really [00:01:52.670] interesting a conversation, right? Right [00:01:54.680] now, I think my [00:01:56.540] second guessed is Norbu, [00:01:58.620] a cell from a ver tre [00:02:00.939] and nor WSL is the process [00:02:03.079] engineering lead at a Virtual Corp [00:02:05.599] She has almost 10 years of experience in [00:02:07.799] low code and BPM platforms, [00:02:10.139] and she transformed herself along [00:02:12.520] with a ver tre [00:02:13.659] ah virtuous new vision [00:02:16.090] three years ago. [00:02:17.460] And she was the first person who joined over Tre [00:02:19.840] with a low code and BPM experience [00:02:22.400] to start the initiative of transforming [00:02:25.080] of rituals, product from traditional [00:02:27.479] coating to mend ICS, to simplify [00:02:30.099] building product journeys [00:02:32.150] for their customers and starting [00:02:34.270] a new world of innovation [00:02:36.930] with medics. So nor welcome [00:02:39.349] to the session [00:02:41.719] age A young thanks for hosting [00:02:44.110] me. Just a willy. [00:02:47.250] And where you were you calling in from? [00:02:49.449] Because I'm in the Netherlands policy in the U. [00:02:51.590] S. I'm I'm [00:02:53.650] from I'm Jordan. [00:02:55.189] So excellent. Yes, very [00:02:57.330] still has multiple [00:02:58.990] our headquarters and you, us and we have [00:03:01.080] regional office. So India, Jordan, [00:03:03.110] I'm in Jordan. [00:03:04.830] That's excellent. [00:03:06.699] So our third guest of the day [00:03:08.949] is Philip Lutz from Seaman's. [00:03:11.430] Philip is an I T partner for [00:03:13.490] the business unit Motion Control [00:03:16.039] of Seamen's Digital Industries. [00:03:18.310] He is responsible for the low code strategy [00:03:20.849] of over a dozen factories across [00:03:22.949] the globe. [00:03:24.039] Motion Control produces motors, [00:03:26.439] converters, CNC systems [00:03:28.639] and industry software and has [00:03:30.870] over 15,000 employees [00:03:32.990] in different locations. Go. Going [00:03:35.050] from Mexico to China [00:03:37.539] on Phillip's job is to establish [00:03:39.780] medics as the go to app [00:03:41.990] development [00:03:42.939] platform for any new internal [00:03:45.580] digitalization projects. [00:03:47.889] So his [00:03:49.719] mission is to make fast, scalable [00:03:52.180] and secure app development accessible [00:03:54.460] for anyone in his business unit. [00:03:57.139] From hard core software engineers to [00:03:59.560] citizen develop developers. [00:04:02.639] Yeah, a pleasure to be here. Thanks, young. [00:04:05.250] Welcome to the session. Good to have you all. Thank [00:04:07.689] you so much. [00:04:08.729] Um, I hope you've been following along [00:04:10.849] with all the life sessions and the on demand [00:04:13.129] sessions. [00:04:14.240] Um [00:04:15.439] I mean, [00:04:16.370] it's so much content. I think [00:04:18.459] we're gonna need another month that you just get through [00:04:20.519] all of it. [00:04:22.050] Not to say, Yeah, you will take a while, but [00:04:24.329] you couldn't see all that [00:04:26.660] possible to watch all of them. The day has 24 [00:04:28.759] hours no more. [00:04:30.139] No. Right. Yeah. [00:04:32.639] Um, right. So [00:04:35.339] I'm really curious. I [00:04:37.750] know that you've watched the keynote. [00:04:40.089] Um, and we announced 20 [00:04:42.610] new [00:04:43.639] products and features. This is, [00:04:45.819] you know, taking it to a whole new level. [00:04:48.209] Um, and I'm really curious about what your [00:04:50.329] top three [00:04:51.819] new capabilities Air announced. Features [00:04:54.079] are, Paul, if you can kick that [00:04:56.290] off. Yeah. You bet. If [00:04:58.319] you had asked me what my top eight features [00:05:00.339] was, that would be a lot easier than top three, [00:05:02.670] but I think everybody is excited [00:05:05.009] about data hub. I haven't talked to anyone who [00:05:07.100] isn't excited about data hub. [00:05:09.370] Um, I don't want to talk about workflow [00:05:11.870] because newer thinks he's going to take that [00:05:14.019] one. But from [00:05:16.060] my developers, they're really excited about [00:05:18.550] the element level conflict resolution [00:05:20.620] in Studio Pro, [00:05:21.920] especially when that's a conflict [00:05:24.490] at the [00:05:25.370] domain level layer. [00:05:27.029] Whenever that happens, it's a huge [00:05:29.339] amount of time to fix [00:05:30.970] so super excited about that. [00:05:33.639] And, uh, I also like to mention [00:05:35.800] get support [00:05:37.139] only because, [00:05:38.439] um when you have a large number [00:05:40.550] of files to commit, like you just [00:05:42.910] imported a big module or something, [00:05:45.339] trying to [00:05:47.139] wait for subversion [00:05:49.430] is really hard to justify, you know. [00:05:51.709] But I've seen in my experience with [00:05:53.829] git it's much better at handling large [00:05:56.040] number lower numbers of files when you commit. [00:05:58.160] So I'm looking forward to that performance boost. [00:06:00.939] Awesome. [00:06:01.839] So, Philip, what about you? [00:06:04.189] To me as well, Data Hub. This is [00:06:06.819] in my day to day work. I think it's the [00:06:08.870] biggest lever that I have [00:06:10.560] with taking so much time for data integration. [00:06:12.689] We have so many silos, so many [00:06:14.740] data lakes that are not accessible, really. [00:06:17.519] And, um [00:06:19.209] and he's looking forward to working with Data Hub, [00:06:22.389] also workflow, but nor as [00:06:24.480] polarities. That stage is yours with this [00:06:26.610] one, Um, and also [00:06:28.819] for me, for from an industrial point [00:06:30.920] of view, Mannix on edge is [00:06:33.709] a big thing [00:06:34.740] Another. This doesn't seem to interesting [00:06:37.160] maybe to a company who doesn't [00:06:39.680] produce. But, [00:06:41.540] um, there's so much [00:06:43.569] data, we have machines that produce [00:06:45.959] thousands off data points every [00:06:48.000] second. And if you multiply [00:06:50.339] that with, [00:06:51.769] I don't know, 100 machines per factory [00:06:53.939] and then you have 15 factories. So you get [00:06:56.279] in the billions and in the trillions [00:06:58.449] every day, [00:06:59.399] and you can just push that into the cloud [00:07:01.709] all the time and process it there. [00:07:04.139] So you need the edge, and you need to [00:07:06.660] you need the processing power there. And [00:07:08.810] if you can use men dicks to make that more [00:07:10.930] accessible [00:07:11.899] to make that less cryptic for four people [00:07:14.160] and to really accelerate that, it's [00:07:16.250] gonna be [00:07:17.740] there's millions and billions in this [00:07:20.120] for us speaking in money terms [00:07:22.149] and from a [00:07:23.089] developer point of view of this is just it's gonna [00:07:25.209] be so much fun to to work with mandates [00:07:27.370] on all levels, not only on the cloud level, [00:07:30.509] I thought it. [00:07:31.439] Yeah, I think that's a very interesting feature, [00:07:33.480] and we're definitely going to go. [00:07:35.500] Ah, a little bit more in depth on [00:07:37.550] that. So ah, nor what [00:07:39.970] are your top three features [00:07:42.069] I've already heard one. [00:07:44.350] Yeah, [00:07:45.529] Um, so I was from development [00:07:47.750] perspective debugging and under floor [00:07:50.110] on, and I will measure it with [00:07:52.290] solving conflicts. [00:07:53.699] It's, ah, good thing for in development, [00:07:56.939] uh, our life, daily [00:07:58.970] life work. Um, that [00:08:01.199] I help is great and seems what [00:08:03.230] I'm saying. We need [00:08:04.980] to see how it's going to work with [00:08:07.149] our industrial ah, [00:08:09.350] business and all of that [00:08:11.139] while I like working on integration [00:08:13.250] and doing them well myself here [00:08:15.740] as something interesting [00:08:17.500] workflow exists for me is the best. I [00:08:19.870] think that's what leverage Min Dixon [00:08:22.279] in a way that [00:08:23.689] you don't need to integrate with any back and [00:08:25.860] ppm service. You will have it [00:08:27.860] your own. [00:08:31.319] Okay. But he lost. Ah, we lost [00:08:33.330] nor there for a bit. So we'll, uh, we'll come back [00:08:35.440] to your reconnects. [00:08:39.159] I think you're back. [00:08:40.940] Okay. [00:08:42.090] When you're talking about [00:08:44.409] yeah. No. Where is no problem? [00:08:46.690] Talking about connecting to back and system [00:08:49.169] Yes, s sorry. Start off. Maybe [00:08:51.950] connecting index two ppm [00:08:54.210] back in the system. We will, [00:08:56.419] uh we will have everything in one place, [00:08:58.690] and that's what help. They're also [00:09:01.429] expand the clients. That may [00:09:03.519] could be the one ppm [00:09:05.649] so [00:09:06.889] that would be rock flows. [00:09:08.740] So that would be something I think it will add [00:09:10.769] to the business that meat for [00:09:13.440] utility. And also, um, [00:09:16.230] it will it will [00:09:18.320] leverage in new customers and [00:09:20.580] form index [00:09:21.929] the same way. [00:09:23.710] Yeah, Yeah, totally agree. [00:09:25.830] Yeah. [00:09:26.840] So if you're watching this, you have any questions [00:09:29.049] for Paul or for Philip Or four, Nor [00:09:31.929] go to the MX W live channel [00:09:34.250] on medics role to dot slack [00:09:36.399] dot com and hit that lightning icon [00:09:38.690] and submit your question and [00:09:40.879] yeah, we'll ask your question live. So [00:09:42.980] if you want to talk about ask questions about data [00:09:45.230] Hub how university was using this [00:09:47.539] or how industrial companies are [00:09:49.549] you using this or ah, [00:09:51.990] medics, customer and partner like like [00:09:54.230] ever tra [00:09:55.159] Uh, yeah, go ahead and start. So be your questions [00:09:58.139] now to kick it off. All [00:10:00.269] of you has said one set [00:10:02.720] the same thing and that was data [00:10:04.940] hub. Obviously, this is a huge [00:10:07.389] thing, and we've actually [00:10:09.500] mentioned it at Medics world last [00:10:11.909] year when we announced that we were working [00:10:13.990] on it. Now, [00:10:15.740] um, we've being doing a lot of [00:10:17.759] development in the past year, [00:10:19.940] and ah, [00:10:21.379] it was mostly behind closed doors with [00:10:23.629] a number of selected [00:10:25.340] partners and customers to find out [00:10:27.450] how we can best built [00:10:29.610] this data platform [00:10:32.669] to make to make it the best solution [00:10:35.289] for customers. [00:10:36.340] Now, I have [00:10:38.360] heard from reliable sources that [00:10:40.879] Paul, you have actually being involved [00:10:43.450] in some of this development and beta [00:10:45.669] testing. Uh, [00:10:47.740] how did you get involved in this testing? [00:10:50.840] Well, I just mentioned to my customer [00:10:53.039] success manager that I was interested, [00:10:55.740] and she mentioned that she [00:10:57.919] might be able to set up some meetings so [00:10:59.929] we could [00:11:01.110] talk through where the product waas get my feet [00:11:03.220] back on it. [00:11:04.440] And so then I started talking with gay organ [00:11:07.110] on others, and it was just [00:11:09.269] a really good experience. I was [00:11:11.309] able to [00:11:12.340] explain some of the things from [00:11:14.139] the university perspectives that they [00:11:17.340] hadn't yet considered and give them some [00:11:19.519] feedback on things that they, [00:11:21.940] um, we're already thinking about. So it's [00:11:24.580] it's, uh, been very helpful so far. [00:11:27.539] So what was your initial idea [00:11:29.820] and scope for? For data hub? [00:11:31.980] How did you want to [00:11:33.840] apply it? In Brigham Young University's [00:11:36.840] ah case, [00:11:38.440] there were two pieces that I would [00:11:40.539] like data hub to your use cases [00:11:42.700] I would like to hug, to fix or help with [00:11:45.240] one is just improve [00:11:47.399] the time it takes to do integrations [00:11:50.139] across many different disparate systems. [00:11:52.480] And I think, [00:11:53.580] um, medics has hit the nail on the head. [00:11:55.740] With this, [00:11:56.840] you can [00:11:57.970] use all of the [00:12:00.139] almost all, if not all, of [00:12:02.159] the performance improvement features [00:12:04.769] developer performance improvement features like [00:12:06.830] the productivity features [00:12:08.639] of men, dicks [00:12:10.490] with external systems and were pointed as [00:12:12.490] if it was a local [00:12:15.070] table where local entity, [00:12:17.440] um, being able to put [00:12:19.610] in a data grid just just Aziza Lee [00:12:21.710] with a local table as you would have an external table [00:12:24.360] being of the associate [00:12:26.399] entities both, [00:12:28.950] you know, in your own APS database [00:12:31.399] and remote [00:12:32.769] is just a huge win, [00:12:34.570] um, and will speed up the development process [00:12:36.830] a lot. The other thing that slows down our [00:12:38.909] developers is our information governance [00:12:40.940] process. [00:12:42.279] That process is very laborious. [00:12:44.620] Um, although the people [00:12:46.740] of BYU have been helping a ton [00:12:48.970] to improve it over time, [00:12:50.649] it's still tanks. A quite a long time. So [00:12:53.639] we've been talking a lot with [00:12:55.960] the product team at medics [00:12:58.289] with data hub [00:13:00.259] on how to improve that process and make [00:13:02.460] it work. There's some things that I think [00:13:05.639] are just difficult on. Bond [00:13:07.899] medics will do [00:13:09.539] a great job at [00:13:11.090] making it better, but I don't know if there's [00:13:13.490] some things that are just difficult to [00:13:16.110] to do. [00:13:17.090] And, um, [00:13:18.600] neither I nor the product team knew how to make them [00:13:20.970] much better. But, you know, we can get it. Is best [00:13:23.269] is you can [00:13:24.840] Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. [00:13:26.500] I'd love to hear more on that. Um, [00:13:28.529] but I I would like to ask Philip because [00:13:31.039] Philip, you're you're in a very different [00:13:33.129] type of situation, right? You're working [00:13:35.240] in an industrial environment. [00:13:37.450] Um, but you're trying to help [00:13:39.629] people automate and digitalize things. [00:13:42.419] How do you see? [00:13:44.179] Ah, data hub helping [00:13:46.519] you in this case? [00:13:49.440] I mean, you have to look at the size [00:13:51.509] off Siemens. We have 350,000 [00:13:54.070] employees, and where we have, [00:13:56.080] we're in so many different market fields [00:13:58.129] that range from I don't know, motors, converters [00:14:00.669] and [00:14:01.639] software as we do. Then there's trains. [00:14:04.580] People actually trains. We have consulted. [00:14:07.000] We have healthcare like X ray machines. We have [00:14:09.049] also a banking division, [00:14:10.940] so there's stuff that everybody uses [00:14:13.379] like the corporate directory. [00:14:15.240] Um, but this also stuff that [00:14:17.539] maybe only your operate [00:14:20.049] your your company within the company [00:14:22.169] is using. Then there stuff that only your business unit [00:14:24.330] is using and despondent on your factory [00:14:26.669] or your office or even your team only yourself [00:14:28.789] it's using. So this produces [00:14:31.139] a lot of data and into chaos, and it's very [00:14:33.730] complex. [00:14:35.440] Um, [00:14:36.340] so everything that takes out this complexity [00:14:39.009] and makes it visual [00:14:40.940] is good. So the more complex, the more [00:14:42.960] value you have to a visualization off. [00:14:45.360] The relationships and data have offices [00:14:47.419] that yeah, and [00:14:49.759] it also offers. Yes, also [00:14:52.120] offers, like a semantic layer for us to [00:14:54.230] search the data. And so we are [00:14:56.250] really know what does the data mean? [00:14:58.759] That is something that our business colleagues struggle [00:15:01.070] that are, Let's call them citizen [00:15:03.139] developers [00:15:04.299] because they know that we have the state of somewhere. [00:15:06.519] And then let's pull it from there. But what is the source system [00:15:08.970] and what is the source system of this one? [00:15:10.879] So [00:15:11.840] the data takes like a little [00:15:13.870] trek through the whole company, and [00:15:15.909] then, at some point, [00:15:17.000] it, um, arrives at one [00:15:19.080] person. But that doesn't mean it is the correct data [00:15:21.230] because it has been changed so many times. [00:15:23.639] So if we have, if we [00:15:25.690] use data hub in the right way and [00:15:27.779] we have, like, a single source of truth [00:15:29.940] for the data that we offer there, [00:15:32.039] of course, it has to be governed properly. But if [00:15:34.179] if we have this yeah, and this is validated, [00:15:37.090] then this is going to increase [00:15:39.350] the speed off app development, especially with [00:15:41.450] citizen developers. Extremely. [00:15:44.240] And [00:15:45.629] we need the citizen developers because [00:15:47.879] I t budget is limited as well. [00:15:50.340] And the requirement list is very [00:15:52.570] long. So we need everyone can [00:15:54.570] code. Well, yeah, exactly. [00:15:56.750] You want to make it simpler for [00:15:59.019] people to access the right kind of data so [00:16:01.340] that it helps with [00:16:03.490] the governance of that data [00:16:05.909] and ah, yeah, making it as [00:16:08.480] a single managed source instead [00:16:10.730] of all kinds of random sources throughout. [00:16:13.279] So that's Ah, yeah, that that's very important [00:16:18.440] dinner. I'm very curious about how [00:16:20.529] you see the benefit of data hub for [00:16:22.909] for a Virtua. [00:16:25.940] Um, [00:16:27.409] definitely. This is something we need like [00:16:29.629] to put our hands on and see if [00:16:32.899] how that will help us as utility. [00:16:36.779] Um, like as a company that [00:16:39.000] provides product for utilities [00:16:42.029] company. Um, [00:16:44.139] our integration. We have a lot [00:16:46.169] of integration, but ah, we [00:16:48.279] have It is. Maybe it could be that [00:16:50.379] the base for the clients, it's, um [00:16:52.620] we have a 20 year, [00:16:54.169] so we need to check that. [00:16:56.350] Andi. [00:16:57.539] Also, I was reading few things, but [00:16:59.690] seems it will pee in next releases. [00:17:01.870] It will not be in Peter that to do something [00:17:04.329] on our own inside that I help [00:17:07.140] to put our sports kind of service that we [00:17:09.220] need Teoh [00:17:11.039] get. Um, [00:17:13.039] So, yeah, this is something I [00:17:15.220] the team members is excited about, [00:17:17.309] But [00:17:18.440] it's something we we need to check how [00:17:20.740] that will help us. [00:17:22.339] Yeah. So basically, you're hoping that it will make [00:17:25.390] the integration on all of your projects [00:17:28.009] simpler to manage and implement. [00:17:30.630] Exactly. Yes, because the base layer [00:17:32.990] off our back and this will [00:17:35.019] be different from client to client. [00:17:38.140] Yeah, definitely. [00:17:39.740] So, um, you know, [00:17:41.869] got a question coming in here from, And [00:17:44.400] the question is, uh [00:17:46.140] yeah, all of you're looking forward to all all of [00:17:48.150] these new features. [00:17:50.029] But how often do you actually [00:17:52.420] update your existing applications [00:17:55.140] to make use of all these new features. [00:17:58.390] Paul, if you I believe BYU [00:18:00.619] has a very large application [00:18:03.349] landscape. How do you deal with that? [00:18:05.940] Yeah, we have about [00:18:07.849] 17 production systems today. [00:18:10.680] Um, so [00:18:12.349] updating it is quite important [00:18:14.740] to us. [00:18:15.700] Um, we haven't mandated [00:18:17.789] it yet, so we're talking to all of the different [00:18:19.930] teams, and we're telling them that the best practice [00:18:22.180] in order for you to not [00:18:24.240] have a huge update project to do [00:18:26.380] in the future is trying to be [00:18:29.039] on the [00:18:31.339] next to latest version, if [00:18:33.519] possible. If you have to wait, you can. [00:18:35.910] You know, there's no problem with staying on anything. [00:18:38.109] For example, in the eight Dato, [00:18:40.240] um, family, your range. [00:18:42.670] But my teams like to try [00:18:44.970] out than newest version. And, [00:18:47.549] um, let that sit for about a month or so. [00:18:49.829] And then we try to upgrade our all of our [00:18:52.400] production systems [00:18:54.289] within a few months. [00:18:55.670] Um, when you do it that [00:18:57.690] quickly, [00:18:58.710] the upgrade processes and isn't [00:19:00.720] very tedious or time consuming, [00:19:03.420] But if you wait and you have to upgrade [00:19:05.609] one or more major versions, that's [00:19:08.089] that's gets to be a really hard thing to do. [00:19:11.740] Plus, you don't get the benefit of all the new features and the [00:19:13.779] security enhancements, etcetera. So [00:19:16.039] Right, Right. [00:19:17.640] So Ah, nor one of your [00:19:19.779] favorite features that you mentioned was [00:19:22.000] workflow. [00:19:23.240] This is Ah, big thing. [00:19:26.299] And, you know, we have a question [00:19:28.559] coming in. What kind of work flows [00:19:30.950] would you not build with [00:19:33.029] BPM tool that you do think that you [00:19:35.089] would be able to build with [00:19:37.089] medics workflow? [00:19:38.940] Ah, yeah. This is, uh, since I'm [00:19:41.119] not tons on yet moment, [00:19:43.299] except [00:19:44.369] exactly so but, um [00:19:47.539] um, [00:19:49.240] it's something that excited to see [00:19:51.450] work flows with, um, with [00:19:53.839] micro flows with non flows How these [00:19:56.430] three components will work with the pages. [00:19:58.670] What kind of I saw the demo [00:20:01.079] at, but ah, putting hands [00:20:03.180] on his different. [00:20:06.039] There are few things it could [00:20:08.039] be not replace, but as a [00:20:10.079] feature, like it's working and [00:20:12.460] what we have now. But one [00:20:14.640] of our product is the back [00:20:17.039] we needed to ah declared with [00:20:19.150] a ppm engine from the back end [00:20:22.000] for special cases. [00:20:24.269] Exception management we needed [00:20:26.230] So [00:20:27.839] it could be something we can use [00:20:29.869] the work floor, but yeah, [00:20:31.900] that's something we need [00:20:34.039] to replace with a workflow, so but [00:20:36.130] it will need some, Ah, studies [00:20:38.339] on my hands on to some boc [00:20:41.029] and see if, uh, [00:20:43.339] that will work. Yeah, but [00:20:46.000] that's, um [00:20:47.309] even like our hr. What? [00:20:49.619] She wants something to enter time [00:20:51.650] sheet fast. Okay, we'll have that. [00:20:53.869] Once we have the workflow index, I [00:20:55.960] will do the approval on vacation and [00:20:57.960] request, [00:20:59.480] so it will be too leveraged a few things, [00:21:02.819] and we can do in micro flows in a way, [00:21:05.190] but work flows and above a reassignment, [00:21:07.210] all of that [00:21:09.130] will be something. [00:21:10.950] And it makes it easier to brings it closer [00:21:12.990] to the actual experience [00:21:15.230] of how someone uses the application. [00:21:18.099] Exactly. Yeah, right. [00:21:20.140] Um So, Philip, you [00:21:22.140] mentioned that Siemens has a [00:21:24.160] lot of different sources and [00:21:26.319] that you're looking forward to using medics data [00:21:28.599] to connect them. Can you name some of [00:21:30.680] those data sources that you're, [00:21:32.859] uh, you're already connecting [00:21:35.279] to and how difficult [00:21:37.349] or easy was it to integrate with [00:21:39.380] that? Okay, [00:21:41.740] um, [00:21:42.940] you have to see that from two perspectives. [00:21:45.549] How easy is it to connect with men? Dicks? And [00:21:47.599] the other one is how easy is it to actually go productive [00:21:50.069] with this system? Because there's a lot [00:21:52.089] of governance processes on this, But [00:21:54.549] maybe just to name a few we've [00:21:56.660] connected s a p in various ways. We connected [00:21:59.009] it just through ah, [00:22:00.950] through a gateway with no data service. [00:22:03.440] Then we connected sap, Hana [00:22:06.210] just putting or data services on views [00:22:08.849] that worked out very well in the integration [00:22:10.980] was easy with the SAPI [00:22:13.099] module with the old data connector. That is [00:22:15.140] fairly simple. Once you've done it once, [00:22:17.700] um then we've connected team center, [00:22:20.059] which is our appeal m system product lifecycle [00:22:22.329] management. [00:22:23.369] And so we can get three D models into [00:22:25.460] medics there. Um, with the [00:22:27.839] with the connectors. We can't use the standard connectors [00:22:30.029] because we have a highly customers system there. [00:22:33.240] Um, but still, we have interface. [00:22:35.460] He takes care of that. [00:22:37.339] And we've connected Oracle [00:22:39.470] data basis. My [00:22:41.950] sequel, sir. Servers we've [00:22:44.230] connected [00:22:45.539] also, mind sphere, I don't know if this is [00:22:48.160] something that everybody knows about is a [00:22:50.180] seaman's industry cloud where we use I. [00:22:52.640] They were used for i o t. [00:22:54.630] And we've connected that with MQ TT, [00:22:57.940] then also different rest ful services. [00:23:02.039] I know that someone has done something with with speech [00:23:04.380] to text, but I can't keep up. Keep track of all [00:23:06.529] the use cases. [00:23:08.750] So you want to get once you get going, [00:23:11.150] you know, the ideas go very fast. [00:23:13.670] The thing is, it seized. [00:23:15.799] The bottleneck in this is not [00:23:17.880] Mannix. It's easy to connect. [00:23:20.119] It's easy to use the connectors. The bottleneck [00:23:22.369] with us is through the, um, [00:23:24.940] security assessments. It [00:23:26.960] is getting the firewalls viable, [00:23:29.849] rules implemented. It is getting [00:23:32.009] everybody on board to really [00:23:34.769] make their data accessible [00:23:37.039] because that can be something. People are the [00:23:39.599] sometimes the problem because they don't want to give [00:23:41.750] out the data because there [00:23:43.430] that is the value they bring to the company. And they [00:23:45.519] want to keep track on who [00:23:47.640] who can get their data and they wouldn't [00:23:49.900] want to charge internally. [00:23:52.039] So that is something that is politics within [00:23:54.130] the corporation that you maybe [00:23:56.329] won't have in a smaller, [00:23:57.839] um, company. And that has nothing to do with men. [00:23:59.930] Knicks itself. [00:24:01.509] Usually we're done with the connection we contested [00:24:03.829] locally. That is one of the great things with men Mexican [00:24:05.920] just tested locally on your own PC. [00:24:08.450] If it's [00:24:09.450] connected within the firewalls [00:24:11.640] and then you just have to wait for the other, [00:24:13.670] the other processes. [00:24:15.240] Right? Right. [00:24:17.230] So Ah, [00:24:18.259] I've got another question coming in, and this [00:24:20.440] is this one's for you, Paul. [00:24:22.460] This is about the university and Andrew [00:24:24.730] students. [00:24:25.839] You know, medics is so accessible. And [00:24:27.930] I know that you're doing you know, you're helping students, [00:24:30.309] and you're doing, uh, meet ups as well. [00:24:32.440] Virtual meetups now, [00:24:34.140] to give people, you know, students a chance [00:24:36.230] to learn from each other and demo things. [00:24:39.140] Um, [00:24:40.240] but question is, will you allow students [00:24:42.289] to develop applications so they can [00:24:44.289] automate their own life? Especially [00:24:46.349] the new announcements? Things become much easier. [00:24:48.940] Um, [00:24:50.319] do students [00:24:51.650] build help build production APS [00:24:53.849] Do they have access to those? Resource [00:24:56.230] is, or how does that work? [00:24:58.539] Great question. [00:24:59.880] Um, medics actually provides. [00:25:02.470] Ah, lot of free resource is for people [00:25:04.660] to use today that [00:25:07.039] you know the way you doesn't even have to pay for. [00:25:09.150] So what we tell the students today [00:25:11.250] is use um, [00:25:13.440] you know, Senate for a free medics account on hold [00:25:15.619] up medics dot com, [00:25:17.240] use studio pro or studio to develop [00:25:19.500] your application, and then you can deploy it to [00:25:21.759] the free version of medics cloud. [00:25:23.839] And you have everything you need there [00:25:25.839] in order to automate your own personal [00:25:28.269] processes. If you'd like Teoh [00:25:30.910] work on a production system [00:25:33.019] than you need to [00:25:34.259] be on a team that that has [00:25:36.329] a production system on their road map [00:25:38.539] that manages it, [00:25:40.319] there's a lot more that goes along with a production [00:25:42.769] system in terms of long term Ain't mints, [00:25:44.819] etcetera [00:25:45.880] that you need more than just developers [00:25:48.210] in order to maintain any new product unders to project [00:25:50.670] managers who need [00:25:52.039] you, I specialists, etcetera. [00:25:54.299] Um, so [00:25:57.200] if they're interested in making production, APs, we [00:25:59.349] welcome them. Teoh sign up for one [00:26:01.410] of the jobs [00:26:02.589] that we have for all of the students to [00:26:04.609] work on our production and accepts. There's [00:26:06.930] a lot of those as well, [00:26:08.880] Excellent. That's that's really great to see. They [00:26:10.890] give them that opportunity, and if it's a good [00:26:13.109] enough, then, yeah, you're gonna [00:26:15.140] go ahead with that. That's great De Fisher. [00:26:18.039] Now we've talked a lot about data hub [00:26:20.309] and workflow, but there's a lot more right. [00:26:23.000] One of the things you mentioned Philip was [00:26:25.079] Ah, I think you pull. And both you [00:26:28.420] mentioned get support. [00:26:30.839] Um, this is a big thing. I was [00:26:33.019] watching the life chats and everyone went [00:26:35.119] nuts when get get was mentioned. [00:26:37.730] Ah, [00:26:39.140] what's so great about this? [00:26:42.440] Do you wanna start, Philip? [00:26:44.009] Sure. Um [00:26:45.700] I mean, first of [00:26:47.700] all, we have ah, working [00:26:49.710] large and scalable gets [00:26:51.829] instance in our company that were already using. [00:26:54.400] So usually the [00:26:55.819] what we have to use is this one. [00:26:58.170] And so far, we couldn't use it with men [00:27:00.220] dicks because, well, there was no support for it. So [00:27:02.640] maybe our cloud platform specialists [00:27:05.130] are going to connect us with [00:27:07.740] without platform now, which is great [00:27:10.009] for from a governance point of view [00:27:12.140] also, I mean, the performance of get [00:27:14.289] It's just so much better. It's, [00:27:17.039] I suppose that is going to be faster to [00:27:19.119] deploy. Um [00:27:20.740] and [00:27:21.650] I've I've said to people who have been [00:27:23.869] you with medics [00:27:25.740] we should be careful with the merging. [00:27:27.829] We have to do that together because [00:27:30.720] this is where the most errors and conflicts are [00:27:32.769] going to happen. [00:27:34.579] And [00:27:36.829] in every project, at some point you're going to have [00:27:38.920] a conflict that you have to you have to open the [00:27:40.940] tortoise spn and then it's, um it [00:27:42.970] Zwiers them. [00:27:44.299] It's just not that user friendly is arrested [00:27:46.599] and as user friendly as the rest of medics [00:27:49.240] and with especially with the [00:27:52.539] the merge conflict resolution on [00:27:54.660] attribute level in the domain model or in [00:27:56.660] the micro flows and everything [00:27:58.849] that will make it just [00:28:00.519] much faster. And I think we're going to [00:28:03.190] have a lot of fun with it. [00:28:05.740] Yeah, I don't know that. Especially the performance [00:28:08.430] enhancements with get, [00:28:10.339] um, being able Teoh. I don't know if it's going [00:28:12.410] to commit locally, like is normal [00:28:14.460] with git or if you're just gonna do a [00:28:16.500] automatic local commit and then a push. [00:28:19.029] But, um, in either case, I [00:28:21.099] think we'll see some speed ups over sir [00:28:23.160] versions of virgins. [00:28:25.039] Feels like it. [00:28:26.359] The more files you put into it, the slower against. [00:28:28.819] Obviously that'll happen with get us well, but I think [00:28:30.990] the speed at which it slows down [00:28:33.339] if that makes any sense, will be less. [00:28:35.539] Um, yeah, the volume. You'll also see [00:28:37.589] that is, uh well, [00:28:39.779] the element level conflict resolution, [00:28:41.990] which I'm assuming it was easier [00:28:44.099] to implement because of get, [00:28:45.769] um would be [00:28:47.789] will be a huge benefit for us as well. [00:28:50.410] We also have a [00:28:52.450] A, um, [00:28:53.740] not only and BYU wide, but [00:28:56.009] beware is part of a system called the Church Educational [00:28:58.420] System. And we have sister schools as [00:29:00.480] well. So sometimes we we [00:29:02.759] have systems that we purchase altogether. [00:29:04.799] And in this case, we've purchased [00:29:07.359] get hope. So we have a get up enterprise [00:29:09.410] license that we all use [00:29:11.240] and that, um, [00:29:14.240] will allow us to benefit [00:29:16.309] to put all the medics things into all of the processes [00:29:18.779] that are already embedded in the gift. [00:29:20.789] Um, systems that have repositories [00:29:23.259] and get so [00:29:24.450] excited to [00:29:26.140] allow us to take advantage [00:29:28.140] of those just like all the other custom built systems. [00:29:31.339] Excellent. [00:29:32.339] Yeah, I think it opened up. Simply [00:29:34.500] opens up more opportunities, right. Makes the developers [00:29:36.559] life easier. [00:29:38.089] Um, so nor I have a question [00:29:40.430] for you. [00:29:41.509] Uh, in his keynote. Yo, one was talking about [00:29:44.210] medics assist. And now the new medics [00:29:46.630] assist. Performance bought. [00:29:49.359] Are is ever truly using [00:29:51.549] that in development. Are are you using those [00:29:53.589] kind of bots and ai [00:29:55.700] assistance [00:29:56.859] in your development projects? [00:29:59.930] So, yeah, we use them [00:30:02.150] in some level, But what [00:30:04.289] I read the [00:30:05.509] I watch a little bit from the demo after [00:30:07.619] the keynote. [00:30:08.769] One of the things that we faced on one [00:30:10.930] of them index versions was some slowness [00:30:13.089] happening on [00:30:14.450] when we turned the i e. On [00:30:16.950] but the Yeah, [00:30:19.440] this is something good that now we [00:30:21.670] we can know from the I, [00:30:23.859] um, the performance on [00:30:26.029] and [00:30:27.069] it's already solved. So, yeah, I'm [00:30:29.190] looking forward to check that because [00:30:31.279] before Mrs some, it's a key for [00:30:33.569] the success of the project on [00:30:35.670] we pay attention would be built our [00:30:37.819] project that it's [00:30:39.619] yes, working on 10 user, [00:30:41.730] but it's need to work at the same level [00:30:44.009] for ah, 1000 [00:30:46.650] user at the same time. So [00:30:48.900] this is something [00:30:50.579] it's always the customer also [00:30:52.930] or the plant. Um, [00:30:55.539] it's important key to the success of [00:30:57.630] the project. [00:30:58.940] Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And, [00:31:01.019] um, you know all these all this automation [00:31:03.490] and abstraction also makes it easier for [00:31:06.109] less technical people to join [00:31:08.470] the development. [00:31:09.640] And, you know, in the past year, [00:31:12.130] we've been talking a lot about citizen development. [00:31:15.240] Is that something that a [00:31:17.240] virtue is also doing? Sorry. Involving [00:31:19.279] more business people into [00:31:21.349] your development projects, [00:31:23.640] So yeah, [00:31:24.920] at some level now. Yeah, a lot of [00:31:27.049] product owners. Now they are interested [00:31:29.400] to make some changes on some level. [00:31:32.180] We are fine, um, [00:31:34.640] to let them to build a future by [00:31:36.839] its own. It's good [00:31:40.039] we talk, [00:31:40.930] even the q A like everyone in [00:31:42.990] a virtual gnome index, like even finance, [00:31:45.579] which are so all [00:31:47.930] of us, Um, we know [00:31:50.079] we speak the same language with B o [00:31:52.519] ridicule with business. What's [00:31:54.549] micro floored? Spatial What domain [00:31:56.920] model. So this is something good? [00:31:59.019] Um Onda We [00:32:01.589] are looking forward for the p [00:32:03.660] o, the product owners or business [00:32:06.390] to be more involved in our [00:32:08.420] next future product on [00:32:10.460] to be more hands on. But because [00:32:12.500] of time, sometimes, like, they barely [00:32:14.720] have time to do their job, do [00:32:16.799] our job. So but yeah, this is something. [00:32:19.240] But when you speak, we speak the same language, [00:32:21.779] right? Yeah, I think I think that kind [00:32:23.839] of goes back toe. What Philip said earlier [00:32:26.720] in a lot of cases is the people who have [00:32:28.829] to get used to a different process in a different [00:32:30.940] way of working. [00:32:32.140] And once you understand that [00:32:34.289] once you have the common understanding [00:32:36.420] it makes, it makes things so much easier [00:32:39.099] to get done because you understand what [00:32:41.109] you're expecting from each other [00:32:42.650] on how far you can go, right? [00:32:46.380] Eso [00:32:47.940] Philip, you mentioned that medics on edge [00:32:50.470] is [00:32:51.319] in one of your top three. Um, [00:32:54.329] but no one else mentioned this. Why [00:32:56.450] is medics on edge so important for [00:32:58.450] you? And, uh, your [00:33:00.980] seaman's at the seams applications [00:33:02.990] that you're building? [00:33:04.740] I think the easy answer to this question is [00:33:06.869] because we produce stuff [00:33:08.839] and we have a lot off a lot of [00:33:10.880] machines and a lot of data that comes from them. [00:33:12.920] And we don't know what to make from it. [00:33:14.970] Of course, we can get the overall effectiveness [00:33:17.019] off machine [00:33:19.269] or off our production lines. We can get [00:33:21.380] that from us from several sensors. [00:33:24.039] Okay, But we don't really [00:33:26.150] If we want to go into a mode [00:33:28.339] where we learn from our data and [00:33:30.670] not only analyze that we really want to learn [00:33:32.849] from it and go from [00:33:34.130] just descriptive too prescriptive, [00:33:36.789] and maybe just to [00:33:38.650] avoid failures before they come. [00:33:40.940] That is something that we cannot do ourselves. [00:33:43.000] We have to do this using AI [00:33:45.240] at some point, [00:33:46.839] and we're already doing this in smaller scales. [00:33:49.839] Um, [00:33:51.039] but always for single machines, [00:33:53.640] if you want to do that scale that up, [00:33:56.440] you cannot do that in a single in a single [00:33:58.599] machine. But you also don't want to [00:34:00.700] have this in. Ah ah, [00:34:02.950] high code [00:34:04.339] environment for all eternity. [00:34:06.910] Because in the end, this is going to [00:34:08.949] become a normal use case for us that [00:34:11.050] has to be accessible not only for [00:34:13.449] the [00:34:14.739] four or five specialists within the [00:34:16.760] company, but it has to be accessible for [00:34:18.860] the citizen developers as well. [00:34:20.840] So right, if we want to. [00:34:22.860] If we want to process all this data, [00:34:24.949] we need to have a good edge management [00:34:27.219] system we need to have, [00:34:29.469] um we need to make it easy [00:34:31.559] to really [00:34:34.340] read this data and process [00:34:36.389] it and connected to other machines. [00:34:38.500] We have to make it easy to create models [00:34:40.820] ai models on on the edge [00:34:42.940] devices. [00:34:44.039] And all this is possible right now. You could do [00:34:46.159] it with python if you want to. [00:34:48.139] Um, And in the end, maybe for some [00:34:50.440] self, you will. But for the management [00:34:52.829] off, all this [00:34:54.289] medics would be the perfect solution. [00:34:56.590] And the sooner we start, the sooner we get [00:34:58.750] everybody used to the same platform, [00:35:01.340] the sooner we will really reap the benefits [00:35:03.369] of this. So [00:35:05.480] I'm sure that the others didn't [00:35:07.599] mention that because they have completely different focus. [00:35:10.539] But [00:35:11.539] I think men nexus is conquering the [00:35:13.539] industrial world at some point, and it's already [00:35:15.719] starting. And we have so many people [00:35:18.090] interested in. The topic is only in the [00:35:20.130] factory in a long and in southern Germany. [00:35:22.659] Um, we're starting Ah, [00:35:24.780] medics learning journey now and 40 [00:35:26.820] people have [00:35:29.039] have registered for that and they are [00:35:31.159] going to [00:35:32.079] learn and self study now and then. We'll have a lion [00:35:34.210] stand with people with people from I t judging. [00:35:36.230] They use cases and there will prepare for them for [00:35:38.250] a hackathon. So this is something with during with the [00:35:40.349] businesses, all citizen development, [00:35:42.710] all in the industrial environment. So it's [00:35:44.949] just yeah, [00:35:47.239] and just for context. [00:35:49.739] It sounds like you've been working with medics [00:35:51.780] for years and years. Um, [00:35:54.840] can you can you burst that [00:35:56.949] bubble for me? How long you [00:35:58.980] guys been working with medics and setting up a Minnix [00:36:01.099] team? We started working [00:36:03.369] on it in [00:36:04.460] June of last year. [00:36:07.130] Wow. So within a year [00:36:10.070] and a couple of months, you've got 17 [00:36:12.309] production APS [00:36:13.789] is that is mad. That [00:36:15.940] is insane [00:36:17.230] and awesome. Obviously, [00:36:19.230] it's been a fun journey. [00:36:21.889] So what about you, Philip? [00:36:23.880] I started with medics in [00:36:26.079] I think January last year [00:36:28.630] just start out with this small use case. [00:36:30.920] And, um, [00:36:32.730] there was fairly new to cements because [00:36:35.150] the announcement was, I think in November that we bought [00:36:38.530] that that mandates was bought by Siemens, [00:36:40.889] and we didn't really know what to do with it yet. [00:36:43.380] And we just started out and had small use [00:36:45.409] case connecting some stuff. And, um, [00:36:48.530] it's been an interesting journey so far because [00:36:51.699] some people are still doubting that [00:36:54.110] Mannix is going to be a big part [00:36:56.170] of the company, and more and more [00:36:58.369] people are just [00:36:59.849] slowly adapting it. So it's more a revolution [00:37:02.440] from from below, [00:37:04.809] right? One of years. [00:37:07.329] Such a small, small time period. And [00:37:09.489] you have been able to achieve so much. [00:37:11.670] Um, [00:37:12.650] I'll get back to that, by the way. But I have [00:37:14.690] a question for Nor so you say that everybody [00:37:17.090] speaks medics. [00:37:18.409] They speak the same language. [00:37:20.119] What is the difference? This brings [00:37:22.369] compared to, [00:37:24.130] uh, [00:37:25.329] you know, before you were using men dicks, [00:37:27.829] how would you, you know, [00:37:30.030] build APS and communicate [00:37:32.130] So in my from my previous [00:37:34.460] loco tp. I'm glad for me. Uh, [00:37:36.809] okay, so, um, I think [00:37:39.019] the culture is different now. Um, [00:37:42.130] before when I started 2011 [00:37:44.650] I'm not at all, but yeah, we [00:37:46.690] started 2011 with a visi. Um [00:37:49.429] um, [00:37:50.730] people was not that interest [00:37:52.909] Teoh [00:37:54.730] to be in BPM or what's ppm. [00:37:57.079] It was, like maybe to like [00:37:59.449] especially in the area, like [00:38:02.349] maybe three companies to companies like [00:38:04.550] WorldCom ppm tools [00:38:06.320] on [00:38:09.019] even the people that working [00:38:11.519] on the traditional coding, they find [00:38:13.579] it hard maybe to move [00:38:15.789] the b m or why I need to move. [00:38:18.070] Or but now this is a changing. [00:38:20.289] I think the world [00:38:21.719] four years ago, since four years ago [00:38:23.900] it's changing people [00:38:25.619] taking the local platform in [00:38:28.030] different level. I can. I'm happy to see [00:38:31.070] the local blood from concept is now [00:38:33.130] accessible, acceptable by [00:38:35.440] maybe [00:38:36.429] traditional coding. But they were talking a java [00:38:38.730] to work on local [00:38:40.920] on because [00:38:42.719] also you will have the same experience like you will have [00:38:44.800] the experience to gain new skills, [00:38:47.519] and maybe it will work on some customization. [00:38:50.239] Maybe it's even so. It's not just, [00:38:53.000] ah, [00:38:54.599] it's fast, fast development [00:38:56.610] maintained on the culture [00:38:58.699] is different [00:39:00.119] on DA people now is [00:39:02.329] ah veterans different? So [00:39:05.320] we Yeah, we didn't. [00:39:08.820] It was not completely shifted [00:39:10.989] from [00:39:12.170] another platform. Two men [00:39:14.400] dicks, right years ago? [00:39:16.010] Yeah, with Verster. I was I started. [00:39:18.190] I didn't know Minnix [00:39:21.300] before. Ever. Tra So, Umberto, [00:39:23.639] on our see Oprah ships Iranian Matt [00:39:27.159] Engineering measurement, then yes, [00:39:29.719] as they want this split this [00:39:31.989] language across all the breeze or [00:39:34.130] department. [00:39:35.420] So this is [00:39:36.650] this is the difference is how you want [00:39:38.949] to spread this [00:39:40.820] to um please, Do you want to be in a specific [00:39:43.150] department or because [00:39:45.269] the the point [00:39:47.360] of flow code [00:39:48.690] is for people to speak the same thing? [00:39:51.420] If I were working, going traditional [00:39:53.460] language? No, I don't know. What is the class? [00:39:55.900] What's abstract? Her function. [00:39:58.269] We thought when you said this to be Oh [00:40:00.659] Ah, But when you talk will [00:40:02.949] be about entity. This microphone would not [00:40:05.090] be that way. This feature will be different. [00:40:07.820] This is why it's gonna be done this way. It [00:40:10.119] will be done this way. They will [00:40:12.210] stand what you are seeing. [00:40:13.909] So this is the difference [00:40:16.130] between [00:40:17.510] my best, um, like companies. [00:40:20.110] Maybe on between a [00:40:22.130] Vectra and how we [00:40:24.449] were focusing on everyone. [00:40:26.610] Do you know, um, [00:40:28.610] what you are working for? Because this product is [00:40:30.639] not religious. Off department is [00:40:32.900] all right. It's a company. Yeah, [00:40:35.409] yeah, yeah. You're making a company wide [00:40:37.639] decision to to use this. So [00:40:39.820] it is very interesting because that [00:40:43.099] make me think of you, Paul, when you said, [00:40:45.369] you know, we're trying to reduce [00:40:47.610] fifteens tax to to [00:40:50.579] I can imagine that in, you know, in [00:40:52.599] your setting in university, in a huge [00:40:55.900] organization [00:40:57.489] that might not [00:40:59.519] have bean as easy as it just sounds [00:41:01.789] right in the year just over a year. [00:41:03.909] What kind of [00:41:05.190] things that you run into [00:41:07.730] when you propose this. Let's reduce [00:41:10.039] everything. [00:41:11.210] What did that look like? [00:41:13.110] Well, we're definitely not there yet. [00:41:15.289] Just the fact that we brought in Minnix has helped [00:41:17.659] because it gives, [00:41:19.059] um, not only the central I t department, [00:41:21.510] but other departments on campus who have development [00:41:23.699] resource is, and there are a significant number, [00:41:26.710] an option that is supported by [00:41:28.880] the whole university instead of just some [00:41:31.210] open source language of their choice. [00:41:33.940] The way we got to where we were was because, [00:41:36.300] um there wasn't a university [00:41:38.489] wide platform for people [00:41:40.719] to use, so they just picked whatever [00:41:42.849] they could. [00:41:44.030] They have limited budgets, so they often picked [00:41:46.130] open source tooling sets and stacks, [00:41:49.219] and they often pick different ones from each [00:41:51.280] other. Sometimes [00:41:53.260] they had students often times they have students [00:41:55.260] developing on it, which is great. [00:41:57.739] But the downside to that sometimes is that [00:41:59.789] if they're not careful, those students graduate [00:42:01.889] and then other people [00:42:03.500] don't maintain it as well. So the [00:42:05.559] Central 80 department has to take time to help [00:42:07.570] fix security vulnerabilities in that type of [00:42:09.639] thing. So [00:42:12.489] we're definitely still in middle of the [00:42:14.539] process and the journey. [00:42:16.500] Um, [00:42:17.500] but medics has proven so [00:42:19.630] far [00:42:20.750] to be [00:42:22.099] a reliable platform and one [00:42:24.119] that is more productive than you see then [00:42:26.159] we've had in the past. So, so far, [00:42:28.320] so good. Excellent. [00:42:30.760] Yeah, and, ah, [00:42:32.889] I could imagine that if you know, [00:42:34.920] especially university, you'll see dozens [00:42:37.349] and dozens of tools [00:42:39.110] passed you by every year. You know, they [00:42:41.519] will pop up left and right, and people like, Hey, [00:42:43.639] this is the best thing ever. Let's use [00:42:45.639] this. How in that jungle? [00:42:48.679] Exactly. Yeah, how [00:42:50.909] how that jungle of available [00:42:53.250] applications and open source tooling. [00:42:55.900] How did you end up [00:42:57.320] with medics? [00:42:59.500] Uh, it took us about [00:43:02.000] seven months [00:43:03.690] to [00:43:05.099] talk to all of Thea. [00:43:06.900] The big Gartner and Forrester [00:43:09.190] groups figure out the landscape [00:43:11.900] we went through a You can look at my [00:43:13.960] talk for an in depth my other session [00:43:16.119] in medics world for an in depth discussion of this. [00:43:18.309] But we [00:43:19.300] pulled in all the vendors who seemed promising [00:43:21.900] and asked them to build a nap in front of us [00:43:23.960] in two hours. That took us three months to build, [00:43:26.230] or at least most of the app. [00:43:28.099] Only three of the vendors [00:43:29.570] could do it in that time while we watched. [00:43:31.900] So medics was one of them. And then [00:43:33.929] we Then we tried out each of those three platforms [00:43:36.539] and eventually decided on Vendex with [00:43:39.099] a lot of other considerations [00:43:41.190] on a lot of discussions [00:43:44.050] inside of BYU. Outside of the way, you [00:43:46.099] with other people who used the other platforms. [00:43:48.639] It was [00:43:49.630] it took a long time, [00:43:51.650] but I feel like the due diligence [00:43:53.980] that we did has allowed us to [00:43:56.139] pick a platform [00:43:57.449] that will work better [00:43:59.579] than the other platforms would have. So I would [00:44:01.880] recommend to anybody who's looking into [00:44:04.039] a low code platform. Take the time [00:44:06.110] yet worlds. I needed to make a [00:44:08.139] good decision and you won't be sorry you did, [00:44:10.789] because it'll take forever to [00:44:13.190] switch to another platform. You know, [00:44:15.489] um, and and rebuild all the applications [00:44:17.900] that you're building in it. So [00:44:19.590] that's why I'm trying to [00:44:21.690] Yeah, it's better to take your time. They go through a rush [00:44:23.780] job and be sorry [00:44:26.230] at the at the end here because [00:44:28.460] I could imagine that it's ah, [00:44:30.190] it's easier to make a quick decision in a [00:44:32.219] fast moving [00:44:33.590] industry like this. Ah, age [00:44:35.610] like this. [00:44:36.789] Um [00:44:37.789] So Philip question for [00:44:39.789] you is e. Guess it's similar [00:44:42.039] in such a large organization. [00:44:44.590] A seaman's [00:44:46.590] you said, You know, you just started out and [00:44:48.809] tried some medic stuff. [00:44:51.260] Is it? Was it that simple? How [00:44:53.829] how can you, [00:44:55.139] in such a huge organization, [00:44:57.590] get medics [00:44:58.889] on there and say we're going to [00:45:00.940] start up a team? [00:45:02.070] We're gonna We're actually going to be building stuff now [00:45:04.210] for you guys. How does that [00:45:06.300] work? I mean, I'm sure it's more complicated than that. [00:45:09.440] It's not that simple, but, [00:45:11.619] um, [00:45:12.550] we have one advantage in that is was [00:45:14.619] sitting at the source because [00:45:17.070] it is free for us [00:45:18.480] and we can just start out and I'm in [00:45:20.500] I t. So we have a lot [00:45:22.639] of requirements that come our way [00:45:24.590] and it's just started out with something simple. [00:45:26.960] And we knew that this could be done with Bendix, [00:45:29.289] and we knew we just wanted to try it out, and [00:45:31.380] in the end we would have been able to [00:45:33.630] to maintain this this and operate [00:45:35.800] a single application without any [00:45:37.869] problems, even if we didn't [00:45:39.639] decide from Index to go as [00:45:41.780] to to go from index as a whole [00:45:43.809] platform. [00:45:45.250] And in the end, there's a huge support [00:45:47.619] in the company. We have AH Cloud Team who [00:45:49.650] had takes care of the platform for us, so we don't [00:45:51.800] have to take care of anything there. We just [00:45:53.860] have to order the instance. [00:45:55.590] We have a nap factory that takes [00:45:57.789] care off applications for the whole company. [00:46:00.050] We're about to build up a nap factory, [00:46:02.389] not an at factory, but [00:46:03.920] like a small development team within the business unit. [00:46:06.929] Um, we can we have access [00:46:09.039] to resources. [00:46:11.670] We have people working working [00:46:13.920] with Mendez for us different [00:46:16.139] parts of Europe and also in different parts [00:46:18.360] of Asia. [00:46:19.780] So there's a huge support. We have a lot of people [00:46:21.989] who can work with medics and who can [00:46:24.010] get started with medics right away. [00:46:26.219] So that made it easier. [00:46:28.429] In this case again, the difficult thing is [00:46:30.550] people because, um, [00:46:33.579] people in the business, they want to get started with mandates. [00:46:35.880] And then they see it's not that simple because [00:46:38.170] we have some things we need. There [00:46:40.269] are best practices and you can just started [00:46:42.469] within five minutes. You have your application. [00:46:44.579] It's still going to be faster than with other means. [00:46:47.230] That is not five minutes, [00:46:48.800] and then we also have people within I t. [00:46:51.679] Who have experience in other platforms, and [00:46:53.769] they've been working well with it. [00:46:55.500] So you get resistance is from all sides, [00:46:58.780] say the business. They say it's not [00:47:00.880] that fast and in I t they say [00:47:02.989] it's not as fast as the things we've [00:47:05.070] been working with. Why should I re skill? [00:47:07.929] Right, Right. So [00:47:09.880] the support from the top management helped [00:47:12.070] and just keeping on, [00:47:14.150] um, convincing people in trusting [00:47:16.550] people that they can do it and that they can [00:47:19.280] um, develop abstinent themselves. [00:47:22.190] That helped to just [00:47:24.280] come close to critical mass because at some [00:47:26.480] point, people cannot ignore [00:47:28.500] it anymore. If you have, like, 100 citizen [00:47:30.809] developers somewhere just sitting and you can't [00:47:33.170] support them because you don't have to capacities [00:47:35.409] within i t. [00:47:36.780] And that makes it easier at some point for [00:47:38.820] people to just say Okay, just do it. [00:47:40.880] Keep going with Bendix. You're right here on [00:47:42.980] the right trick. [00:47:44.280] So for sure. Yeah, it took [00:47:46.429] a lot of perseverance that took a lot off [00:47:49.480] time and convincing on all sides, [00:47:51.849] but you had to just [00:47:54.380] stick to it. Just just keep going. [00:47:57.480] Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, it's [00:47:59.639] paying off, right? So that people are seeing the [00:48:01.670] results. [00:48:02.869] Um, it's [00:48:04.889] kind of funny, I think. Two years ago, [00:48:07.170] I did an interview with, [00:48:09.769] um someone who used to be a nab [00:48:12.039] up developer for 13 years, [00:48:14.079] right Recipe. Abbott [00:48:15.570] and, um, [00:48:17.570] he switched the men dicks, and he [00:48:19.840] was over the moon [00:48:21.050] like Wow, didn't I didn't know stuff could be [00:48:23.159] this easy. [00:48:24.199] Um, now, [00:48:26.170] one of the questions I asked him was, [00:48:28.369] What is the best way to, [00:48:30.969] uh, tell a programmer [00:48:33.719] about medics [00:48:35.130] why you are using medics and way he [00:48:37.239] should check it out. And he said, I [00:48:39.630] don't tell them. [00:48:40.869] I show them, [00:48:42.769] you know, show, build something quickly [00:48:45.099] or screen share and build something together [00:48:48.070] and make it click, you know, And that's [00:48:50.710] that's what convinces most people like. [00:48:53.369] No, if they hear it, this is not It [00:48:55.630] can't be true. It can't be true. It's too fast. [00:48:57.780] It sounds too good to be true. So it's probably not [00:48:59.829] true. But when you show them all [00:49:01.880] of a sudden there like [00:49:03.469] wait a minute, really? Oh, [00:49:05.900] and then they're like, Hey, but what about [00:49:07.969] this and this and this? And can I do this? And [00:49:10.219] that's when they start thinking impossibilities instead [00:49:12.420] of limitations. [00:49:14.309] Um, so that's Ah, [00:49:16.380] yeah, Interesting. Developers are are [00:49:19.170] naturally skeptical, [00:49:21.199] too high productivity platforms because [00:49:23.449] there been so many failed attempts in the past. [00:49:26.170] So many things like cogeneration, [00:49:28.610] their fourth generation programming languages, [00:49:31.369] lots of things that were like flavor [00:49:33.639] of the month. [00:49:34.570] And they just didn't pan out [00:49:36.869] minutes was the first one in my, in [00:49:38.869] my [00:49:39.670] opinion, that actually [00:49:42.670] delivered on what the promise was, you know, [00:49:44.699] to really speed you up. [00:49:46.469] Yeah, so Ah, nor I'm [00:49:48.710] just interested in your side as [00:49:50.780] well. You have a BPM [00:49:52.809] background. Uh, we've talked [00:49:55.050] about that before because I I also come [00:49:57.079] from her BPM background. They both [00:49:59.150] switched about 45 years to ah, [00:50:01.400] go to low code. [00:50:03.460] Um, [00:50:05.480] I'm very curious. Just from [00:50:07.679] your perspective. Why you think that? [00:50:10.360] You know, as Paul said, [00:50:11.960] men Dicks was able to [00:50:14.309] deliver on that. What was it [00:50:16.449] that you convinced you That [00:50:18.260] this platform does work in this attempt [00:50:20.789] Israel, and not just, [00:50:23.130] you know, and on the side project that [00:50:25.219] will fade away in two or three years. [00:50:27.960] Yeah. Eso [00:50:30.400] Now [00:50:31.300] this is I think it's a destiny [00:50:33.360] that I came across Mondex. I [00:50:35.449] was not planning. [00:50:37.260] Um [00:50:39.559] I even was thinking to change. Maybe [00:50:41.670] my career healthcare path [00:50:43.900] from BBM to another thing is not [00:50:46.190] local but [00:50:48.860] of our roads. Me anniversary [00:50:51.130] crossed together, [00:50:52.960] so [00:50:54.010] I thought, Yeah, this took Let's [00:50:56.079] take a chance. I'm see how [00:50:59.400] the capabilities of index and what we can do [00:51:01.579] and what we can leverage. [00:51:03.530] Um I loved it. It's [00:51:06.070] Ah, it's Ah is [00:51:08.289] the city is I have the mind set [00:51:10.670] off ppm and low code, so [00:51:12.760] it's just needed to switch my mind [00:51:15.269] to Mike [00:51:16.960] and in the future, inside me. Index. So that's [00:51:18.969] what something I need to discover how to do [00:51:21.039] things and my index that I couldn't [00:51:23.159] imagine my my head [00:51:25.210] in different way on. [00:51:27.380] That's Ah [00:51:28.800] and the experience. Also, it's [00:51:30.900] different. [00:51:31.869] So previously before a fair trial, I [00:51:34.780] didn't work [00:51:36.059] on integration that much, not because [00:51:39.159] the other blood phone does not provide. But [00:51:41.179] the companies that I worked with [00:51:43.460] didn't like. Leverage, maybe [00:51:45.739] more integration more. [00:51:47.809] Um uh, something [00:51:49.849] excited. So it's excited [00:51:51.969] because that's [00:51:53.760] it's the in six [00:51:55.789] years I learned the process. Model language [00:51:57.969] is the thing that [00:51:59.429] I can now imagine how things [00:52:01.630] it could be from a to Zed. I'm [00:52:05.449] I'm not, [00:52:06.449] I believe, with a user story with joy. But [00:52:09.300] in my mind, I need to understand the process [00:52:11.369] from A to Zed [00:52:12.530] like if there is seven, process several [00:52:14.630] steps I need to understand before dealing [00:52:16.840] with the user story. [00:52:18.250] To me, the journey mob off [00:52:21.320] 1 [00:52:22.480] to 7 [00:52:24.250] so I can know what is the output, how [00:52:26.429] I can imagine it. So this is [00:52:28.440] something [00:52:30.449] a great on the that's [00:52:32.579] also will add to [00:52:34.250] the code on my index said [00:52:36.349] that people didn't want me. They only be [00:52:38.460] young. Now work flows with them [00:52:40.639] that experience [00:52:42.090] to see things [00:52:43.389] delivering their insight on things, how [00:52:45.460] it should work. [00:52:46.750] Um, [00:52:47.989] so in a very try had, [00:52:50.289] like, rhetorical interrogation [00:52:52.750] is a P eyes [00:52:54.820] in this, um integration [00:52:57.360] email. [00:52:58.750] Um, [00:53:00.050] inboard pdf syndicate [00:53:02.289] with the bills. PD off [00:53:05.050] like a lot off integration happened in [00:53:07.150] the three years [00:53:08.389] that it waas [00:53:10.500] just [00:53:11.619] working on encryption with when I want [00:53:13.639] to create an FBI or I want [00:53:15.639] to provide for a client or they [00:53:17.800] want to provide many FBI. So the [00:53:19.809] encryption. But I didn't work with it before. Now [00:53:22.440] I can't like it's just [00:53:25.030] getting experience in [00:53:27.150] in a way that is not stopping to [00:53:29.239] know. [00:53:30.150] So I'm looking for or there I'm [00:53:32.530] looking forward [00:53:34.050] with [00:53:35.340] the way [00:53:36.690] like the learning path would never [00:53:38.730] end. Now you know something in index, [00:53:41.659] maybe you will face something in index [00:53:43.710] that you didn't work on before. Which happened. [00:53:46.070] The lady and you discover [00:53:48.329] how to work with that. So it's all [00:53:50.510] always [00:53:51.469] giving you [00:53:53.050] expand your insight on development, how [00:53:55.239] you can make things maybe last year were making [00:53:57.559] things different in what you are doing it this [00:53:59.800] year. So a defense on the [00:54:01.880] risk that you are gaining. So [00:54:04.139] yeah, absolutely. And [00:54:06.570] you know, so far, medics has [00:54:08.570] been able to help you answer and solve [00:54:10.860] all of those problem every step of the way, right? [00:54:13.340] And so we keep evolving like that. [00:54:15.869] Um, and I have a question [00:54:18.280] for you guys. Um, [00:54:21.440] did you hear? Ah, [00:54:23.590] do one of you hear something from another presenter [00:54:27.010] that you would like to follow up on. [00:54:31.639] So what would you What would you ask each other [00:54:34.340] about your different use cases [00:54:36.389] or your different situations? [00:54:41.570] Now it sounds like I'm giving away my moderator [00:54:43.570] role to someone else. That's fine. [00:54:45.659] Um, [00:54:46.940] maybe in our little chat before our [00:54:49.320] before the actual [00:54:50.579] life stream [00:54:52.219] and durable, you said [00:54:54.079] that you [00:54:55.599] enjoy data integration. [00:54:58.440] I think you're pretty alone with that. I'm [00:55:00.960] not sure how to do that. How do I find [00:55:03.019] joy and data integration? Because this is a pain. [00:55:06.440] It's like a puzzle for me. [00:55:09.630] I love Brussels as, um [00:55:12.039] um, yeah, I like to know [00:55:14.050] how to integrate the FBI and also [00:55:16.460] how the plants want want [00:55:18.590] to provide him? The FBI doing the encryption [00:55:20.940] is something. It's a bezel, so [00:55:23.179] it's [00:55:24.260] sometimes I can spend. [00:55:26.409] And that's another time spending all night [00:55:28.630] just to solve a problem. [00:55:30.889] That not because I have to [00:55:33.340] but because I just I think [00:55:35.760] in the problem that I need so [00:55:37.969] and I lose track of time, [00:55:40.239] Um, on just just something [00:55:42.510] ah, [00:55:43.780] and enjoy. I know it's hard for people, [00:55:46.050] but I told him maybe I'm a person [00:55:48.199] like I like the hard stuff. But [00:55:50.420] I like to know the insight [00:55:52.889] off the integration and how should [00:55:54.909] work. Maybe you will have 20 [00:55:58.500] operation and one was [00:56:00.539] deal. So how you want to integrate that? What [00:56:02.690] you need to integrate. What is the response? [00:56:05.230] All of that? It's something, um, [00:56:07.789] excited. Also in our [00:56:10.110] project, off products were [00:56:13.059] we are also [00:56:15.039] busy, bee partner, and we have our packages. [00:56:18.030] Ah, with the our blood product [00:56:20.369] on, we can show that people. So the plan [00:56:22.469] for a kill database all of that. [00:56:24.829] So we built something that it could [00:56:27.010] be. We can change the base layer off the back [00:56:29.170] in to be integrated with the client [00:56:31.449] like we can change the future [00:56:33.760] to be from technical perspective, let's say [00:56:35.840] on the product, like if now is a B, [00:56:38.050] we need to connect it to [00:56:39.780] a database. SQL. So it took us [00:56:41.940] 3 to 4 days just to reuse [00:56:44.440] on to create another moment a model with a database [00:56:46.699] connector and [00:56:48.110] to reuse all off mapping that we need [00:56:50.530] on from technical, the future are gone. [00:56:52.690] Now we are waiting the business to give us what's [00:56:54.690] need to be different. [00:56:56.130] So, uh, [00:56:57.679] on its integration connectivity, [00:56:59.989] sometimes the connectivity will give you a headache. [00:57:02.340] But, uh, well, you're really [00:57:04.550] passionate about it, that's for sure. I think [00:57:07.510] this is actually this is how, [00:57:10.030] um this is my [00:57:11.699] I'm bashing it. This is something. [00:57:13.860] Yeah, Well, im [00:57:16.579] now you may work. Some people, [00:57:18.949] they may work on something not [00:57:21.079] because they want, but they have to [00:57:23.119] like it's dropped the phone. [00:57:25.030] Eso I consider myself one [00:57:27.030] off the lucky as people that I'm [00:57:29.130] working with, something I love, [00:57:30.719] like not something I don't like. [00:57:32.980] It's something I'm passionate about. I [00:57:35.030] want to expand me and my team and [00:57:37.090] the company and the brother. [00:57:38.789] So, in all that levels, um [00:57:41.630] on the bashing is the thing that's [00:57:43.719] keep us moving enough. If you don't have [00:57:45.889] passion on something, okay, you will work [00:57:48.530] whatsoever. But [00:57:50.070] at the end, it's It's good to have. The [00:57:52.159] passion on daikon is everyone. If you don't [00:57:54.300] have the brushing mouth when what you do, just [00:57:56.750] try to find it. Find your passion. [00:57:58.820] It's a love that I think that's a That's [00:58:00.929] a great I think it's a great message [00:58:03.030] now to ah, close [00:58:05.039] off. Um, we introduced [00:58:07.920] 20 new features in minutes nine. [00:58:10.320] Ah, what is one [00:58:12.320] thing that you didn't see that you would love to see [00:58:14.559] in medics? 10. [00:58:17.420] Paul. I would love to see Blue [00:58:19.619] Green deployments on medics Cloud [00:58:21.929] zero downtime, deployments. I know it's on the road [00:58:24.039] map. We already saw that from the ask me [00:58:26.039] anything Question sessions. So [00:58:28.489] super excited about that. [00:58:30.320] Awesome. [00:58:31.219] But what? You Philip, [00:58:33.139] I'd really enjoy more medics assist [00:58:35.380] features [00:58:36.719] because we have so many citizen developers [00:58:39.099] coming up and we need every help we can get. [00:58:41.510] And if men exorcists can help us with [00:58:43.630] that, then that'd be great. [00:58:46.489] Excellent. What were you ignore? [00:58:48.980] Well, um, [00:58:50.420] since I'm still not the hands on work flows, [00:58:52.920] but so that would be [00:58:54.989] my my thing. But I think that mood will [00:58:57.070] be fun will be good. I'm I'm [00:58:59.179] a dark mood person like on my old devices. [00:59:01.980] So that would be something to have [00:59:05.550] have the modular [00:59:07.630] dark mood. That will be good thing. [00:59:10.090] Excellent. [00:59:11.130] I think it sounds great. And if you guys [00:59:13.480] can give [00:59:14.619] one piece of advice through the developers [00:59:16.670] who were watching this, what would that be? [00:59:23.119] Who wants to start? [00:59:25.130] Ugo, Go, go ahead. [00:59:27.920] And to me it is, um, get close [00:59:29.960] to the customer, [00:59:31.219] try to understand him and not only the requirements, [00:59:33.730] but also him as a person. How he communicates [00:59:36.250] what he wants to tell you, because sometimes [00:59:38.280] he doesn't know. She doesn't know [00:59:41.619] what they want that sometimes they don't [00:59:43.630] know what's best for them. So [00:59:45.519] get to understand the problem and not [00:59:47.590] the requirements. [00:59:50.420] My my advice would be [00:59:52.719] connect with people, um, [00:59:55.119] developers air, sometimes introverted by nature, [00:59:57.280] and often [00:59:58.719] try to singer, you know, isolate [01:00:01.019] themselves, but [01:00:02.699] including myself. [01:00:03.940] But if you connect to your users, if you connect to other [01:00:06.070] developers who've been down, like if you haven't [01:00:08.230] done minutes before, connect with other men. Dicks [01:00:10.269] users to understand the platform. [01:00:12.409] Um, it helps do it in whatever [01:00:14.500] way is comfortable for you. [01:00:17.110] Excellent. [01:00:18.010] Right to close off. Nor what is your [01:00:20.199] one piece of advice? Um, [01:00:23.369] you don't just build. Think about [01:00:25.539] what you're building. If [01:00:27.349] that sometimes the requirement, it [01:00:29.989] could be enhanced in different way. So [01:00:32.130] creativity is [01:00:33.639] don't Don't just be [01:00:35.670] it for B o. Um, but [01:00:38.050] your mind Give advice. [01:00:40.420] Expand your skills on the passion. [01:00:43.489] Watch what you're doing. Yeah, find your passion [01:00:46.280] on your rash is exactly [01:00:48.610] so with that, we conclude the fireside [01:00:50.969] chat. I want to thank Paul Philip [01:00:53.150] and nor for joining us live and sharing [01:00:55.380] their vision on all the announcements [01:00:57.579] and what is important for developers and [01:00:59.699] especially [01:01:00.639] in which context. [01:01:02.900] So thank you all for watching. Thank you [01:01:04.960] for submitting your questions. 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